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Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by Janosky: 10:47am On Apr 25 |
SIRTee15:Most times,Lord or LORD is used to reference the Most High God. Lord or lord to reference men or angels. LORD has never been a reference to men, LORD is a substitute for YHWH God's holy name. LORD,Lord or lord is a title of respect. These points have been addressed . |
Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by SIRTee15: 10:53am On Apr 25 |
Janosky: What word is used for Adonai in the English bible. And can that word be used for humans or anything else. |
Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by Janosky: 10:57am On Apr 25 |
SIRTee15: Oga, tell this forum. |
Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by Janosky: 11:06am On Apr 25 |
SIRTee15: God in the flesh wey no know Matthew 24:36. |
Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:12am On Apr 25 |
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Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by SIRTee15: 12:00pm On Apr 25 |
Janosky: U Jehovah witness will never cease to amaze me. U will see the truth gidigba like this, yet deny it. What is the English word for Adonai in the English bible. Can the English word be used for anything else in the bible. Can adonai be used for anyone else apart for God. |
Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:26pm On Apr 25 |
SIRTee15:It's a title Israelites use for God but not the name of their God which means other nations can refer to their own God as their own Adonai but when talking about the name God of Israel has a particular name that all the nations knew back then just as their Gods also has names! |
Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by SIRTee15: 12:28pm On Apr 25 |
MaxInDHouse: Adonai is an Hebrew word my friend, so why should non Israelites call their God by an Hebrew name? |
Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:43pm On Apr 25 |
SIRTee15:For instance Oluwa means LORD in Yorùbá language but when talking about Yorùbá Gods we have Obaluaye, Sàngó, Ọ̀ṣun, Olókun and many more all these Gods are LORDS to their worshipers so if a Chinese man noticed that the Yorùbá people have names for different Gods yet each worshiper refers to his own God as Oluwa the Chinese will also tell you the name of his own God then tell you that's his own Oluwa. It's the name that is unique not the title! |
Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by Aemmyjah(m): 3:55pm On Apr 25 |
Aemmyjah: SIRTee15 If YHWH is God's name as shown in the OT And the NT is an inspired addition or confirmation of the OT and Jesus and his apostles quoted and made references to serve scriptures from the OT, shouldn't it be surprising that the manuscripts we have today which are just copies and dated some centuries after Jesus ascension did not show the divine name anywhere Some other translations of the Bible have put the divine places in some places of the new testament |
Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by SIRTee15: 2:40am On Apr 28 |
Aemmyjah: So when the tanakh was translated to greek called the Septuagint, the name YHWH was substituted for kyrios meaning lord/master in greek. The new testament writers simply continued the tradition of using kyrios for LORD in their epistles. Another explanation is that by the time of the 2nd temple, the Jews had forgotten their original language which Hebrew and now speak Aramaic as the native language. Thus very few could pronounce the name YHWH properly. To prevent corruption of the word, the priests actively discouraged people from saying the name; and it's been said by the time of Jesus most, Jews had forgotten how to pronounce the name YHWH and they substituted it for other names of God like elaha, elohim or Adonai. That's why I'm asking maxindhouse to tell me the exact words used by Thomas when he said My Lord and my God, Layman like Thomas wouldn't be able to pronounce YHWH and would have called God by other names. |
Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:32am On Apr 28 |
SIRTee15: This is correct! Please when all the returnee Jews forgot the correct pronunciation of God's name as Moses taught them did Jesus also forgot? John 17 :6, 26 |
Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by Ohyoudidnt: 10:52am On Apr 28 |
SIRTee15: There's no divinity like God. Jesus is not co-divine with God. God is the ultimate divine being, unmatched by any other. Jesus, however, is not considered to be on the same divine level as God. The divinity of God is unparalleled by any other entity and nothing comes close. It is important to note that Jesus is not regarded as being equal in divinity to God. |
Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by johnw47: 11:37am On Apr 28 |
when scripture talks of God's name it isn't always talking about His literal name, how could Jesus keep the apostles in God's literal name, i can't keep my children in the name of john, but Jesus could and did keep the apostles in God's authority, the same authority that God gave Jesus: Joh 17:12 While I was with them, I was keeping them in Your name which You have given Me; and I guarded them and not one of them perished but the son of perdition, so that the Scripture would be fulfilled. name: ὄνομα onoma; a prim. word; a name, authority |
Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by johnw47: 9:21am On Apr 29 |
"The Word of God is the Holy Spirit of God" the Word made all things, nothing was made without Him, john 1:3 + the Word made all things, the Holy Spirit made job: Job_33:4 The Spirit of God has made me the Word made all things, God sent the Holy Spirit to create: Psalm 104:30 You send forth Your Spirit, they are created; and You renew the face of the earth. in the beginning there was God and the Word, john 1, in the beginning there was God and the Holy Spirit: Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Genesis 1:2 The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters. ^^ God made all things through the Word/the Holy Spirit |
Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by johnw47: 11:35pm On Apr 29 |
1Co_1:24 but to those who are the called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. ^^ Christ the power/the Holy Spirit of God, is not referring to Jesus the man/flesh, but to His Holy Spirit/the Word of God 2Co_12:9 And He has said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for power is perfected in weakness." Most gladly, therefore, I will rather boast about my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may dwell in me. ^^ so that the Holy Spirit of Christ may dwell in me |
Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by Steep(m): 12:00am On Apr 30 |
johnw47:The Word of God is not the Holy Spirit. The Holy Ghost is a separate person from the Father and Son. He is the power of God in creation, he guides, empowers and teach the believers as well as lives in them permanently. |
Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by Steep(m): 12:08am On Apr 30 |
johnw47:No he did say christ is the Holy Spirit, rather It is good to read according to context else one errs. 1 Corinthians 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. 1:19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. 1:20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. Paul was talking of the preaching of the sacrifice of Jesus as the atonement for sin. When Paul said christ is the power of God he meant christ is the means through which God saves people. |
Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by johnw47: 2:11am On Apr 30 |
Steep: Steep: in the beginning there was two not three, but stick with your belief, i am not interisted in it. |
Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:50am On Apr 30 |
johnw47:So since you believe it's two in the beginning but he believes it's three who is the liar between you two?
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Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by johnw47: 7:34am On Apr 30 |
MaxInDHouse: Ecc_7:6 For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, So is the laughter of the fool lost false jw mad max i won't speak for other but as for me, i am either right on that matter or i'm mistaken on that matter, and we know who is a liar don't we false jw, i for one have quoted many of your lies myself, haven't i, oh most dum one. false Jw's Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies. |
Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:14am On Apr 30 |
johnw47: So you're not even sure of your stand. Na wah o! 1 Like
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Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by johnw47: 10:22am On Apr 30 |
MaxInDHouse: lost false jw mad max i am sure i am saved, and i am sure you a blasphemer of the Holy Spirit is not saved and is lost: Mat 12:31 Therefore I say unto you, Every sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men; but the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit shall not be forgiven. Mat 12:32 And whoever may speak a word against the Son of Man it will be forgiven to him, but whoever may speak against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, neither in this age, nor in that which is coming. |
Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:03pm On Apr 30 |
johnw47:What about your brother who disagreed with you over two or three people in the beginning? Is he also saved or he's doomed? |
Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by Westerhoffe(m): 10:12pm On Apr 30 |
Ken4Christ: I have a write out on this, and may be posting it soon, and it's all the evidences from the Bible that proves JESUS CHRIST is GOD. 1 Like |
Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by Ken4Christ: 11:22pm On Apr 30 |
Westerhoffe: Even the devil knows. 1 Like |
Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by johnw47: 11:31pm On Apr 30 |
MaxInDHouse: lost false jw mad max most dum and confused one, has he blasphemed the Holy Spirit as you have: 1Co 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints |
Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:01am On May 01 |
johnw47: This is your last response to him: johnw47:You simply told him to stick to his belief that you're not interested! Why can't you just do the same with JWs and our beliefs then move on with your life ? Why are you always following JWs up and down Nairaland if it's just the same offense we committed?
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Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by SIRTee15: 7:39am On May 01 |
Ohyoudidnt: You have not answered my question. Is Jesus divine? Does he have a divine nature? I'm not asking U if he's God, I'm asking if U believe Jesus has a divine nature. |
Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by johnw47: 8:03am On May 01 |
MaxInDHouse: lost false jw mad max i'm not interested in your beliefs either, i have told you before that i like to show up the lies etc. of those claiming to be God's people. and i do that, don't i fajse jw MaxInDHouse: Why can't you just do the same with JWs and our beliefs then move on with your life ? Ecc_7:6 For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, So is the laughter of the fool i don't follow false jw's up and down nairaland, i in fact post very little compared to you and many, but you cannot stop lying and falsely accusing like the devil, can you, and it was you who posted to me about this matter, oh deluded one: Rev_12:10 Then I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, "Now the salvation, and the power, and the kingdom of our God and the authority of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren has been thrown down, he who accuses them before our God day and night. Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies. |
Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by Ohyoudidnt: 8:09am On May 01 |
SIRTee15: No I don't believe that Jesus preferably Yeshua or Isa a.s is divine. He however has a special position amongst mankind and with God |
Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:20am On May 01 |
johnw47: But you stylishly ran away from him with the excuse that he should keep his faith. Why not stand on and continue bashing him that he's an Antichrist for blasphemy instead of running away from him? 1 Like
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