jaephoenix:

So if they have experiences that means each of those gods are living, right?

O Lord! See question early in the morning. It is really a terrible thing to say there is no God. You just begin to speak somehow

terrezo2002:

O Lord! See question early in the morning. It is really a terrible thing to say there is no God. You just begin to speak somehow

Just answer the question. Good morning

jaephoenix:

Yet there is no evidence of the spiritual world

Now you have moved post.

If everything is physical then how did you feel someone's eyes drilling holes at the back of your head when their eyes cannot and does not physically touch you? Oya lie here.

jaephoenix:

Lol. This guy is cracking me up
Do you know why Seun had to separate the Christians from the muslims and even put a pledge for anyone trying to post in a Muslim thread? Because christians are forever attacking Muslims, on Muslim threads, and even in christian threads. Check the Religion section, you'll see numerous posts on why Islam or Mohammed is bad etc. Nobody instigated those Christians. Notably TenQ, AdvocateJare(or something like that) etc. None of you clowns have asked them why they made such posts.. No. You turn a blind eye. You yourself even participate in those Islam bashing threads. Now an atheist has made a similar thread about Christianity and you're here ranting. You obviously don't heed what your bible told you about judging others.
Look how you ignored what I posted anf attacked me. Typical christians. Ignore the message, attack the messenger

You can be an atheist and still have moral standard which include that you should not lie.

Go and find out on why I started attacking Islam on Nairaland. It’s because of what Muslims like AntiChristian and his likes were writing about Christianity and Christian and it’s because Islam is a religion which established to oppose everything Christianity stands for and yet it claims to serve the same God.
Go and check AntiChristian’s topics and youll understand.

All the best to you in your atheism journey!

OK nah!

LordReed:


Dude, time has already told. Restore an amputee's limb with all the god powers y'all have been boasting of for the past thousands of years, no show. May be when y'all can do that task you can come back to talk. I can bet you anything you like that till you and I die, Jesus will not return, another thing that time has already told. LoLz.

2023 is ending and some ants are still making requests and placing tweany weany demands on the Lion, lol. Give amputee limb, give amputee limb, comedians. You that was given limbs, wetin you take am do? ipob sit at home looks more sensible than your foolish demands. lolz.

Dtruthspeaker:


Now you have moved post.

If everything is physical then how did you feel someone's eyes drilling holes at the back of your head when their eyes cannot and does not physically touch you? Oya lie here.

What you experienced is known as gut feelings or intuition, which may be right or wrong. Its different from seeing the someone which is registered in your brain. In intuition, the brain processes information it possesses and uses it to analyze your surroundings. If its spiritual, it would be 100% correct and it won't be felt non-spiritual folks like me

advocatejare:

You can be an atheist and still have moral standard which include that you should not lie.

Go and find out on why I started attacking Islam on Nairaland. It’s because of what Muslims like AntiChristian and his likes were writing about Christianity and Christian and it’s because Islam is a religion which established to oppose everything Christianity stands for and yet it claims to serve the same God.
Go and check AntiChristian’s topics and youll understand.

All the best to you in your atheism journey!

If you say its retaliatory, no qualms.
Now the point is christians create posts here attacking atheists, don't they? So why can't atheists retaliate(like you did)
Anyway this wasn't a retaliatory or counter thread thread, it was prompted by Lawag3 a christian like you. Funny thing is I haven't seen his response 3 days later. So I guess I was disappointed

Image123:


2023 is ending and some ants are still making requests and placing tweany weany demands on the Lion, lol. Give amputee limb, give amputee limb, comedians. You that was given limbs, wetin you take am do? ipob sit at home looks more sensible than your foolish demands. lolz.

Lol. Requesting for a miracle is now foolishness. Wonderful
I see amputees everyday on the way to work. I'm helpless to solve their problem. Science is doing its best to make people grow limbs via stem cell, though its still in its neophytic stage.
Paraplegics like Yinka Ayefele, who happen to be celebrities are yet to receive any healing, despite he himself singing about Yahweh's healing power. Same as Cobham Asuquo the blind gospel singer. No challenged celebrity christian gospel artists have been healed. Why? Everyone knows their story and since miracles are scams, it is impossible to help them. What pastors would do is get unknown folks and then claim they have been healed, and after that, they pay them off, and tell them to disappear. No one hears about them. And whats more, the press or bloggers wouldn't interview them to ascertain or investigate them.
The scammer at Dunamis, Enenche employed this scam recently when he claimed he resurrected a dude named…. DUNAMIS
Science has helped Yinka by providing him with neuroprosthetic limbs, which he had to pay millions for.
So much for Yahweh's awesome power

LordReed:


Dude, time has already told. Restore an amputee's limb with all the god powers y'all have been boasting of for the past thousands of years, no show. May be when y'all can do that task you can come back to talk. I can bet you anything you like that till you and I die, Jesus will not return, another thing that time has already told. LoLz.

WELL!
time is still ticking; so keep listening.
but at the end you will corporate without strife

HISSCRIBE1995:

WELL!
time is still ticking; so keep listening.
but at the end you will corporate without strife

Is it gonna take another 2000 years before y'all can use your Jesus issued miracle power to heal an amputee? LoLz.

Dude I am not holding my breath because it's not gonna happen. No amount of wait and see will make it so.

I was once an atheist. Then I asked myself, “what is god?” , “What is this god you disbelief”. Then I realized that it’s nonsense, absolute nonsense.

Once I clarified the answer, i stopped being atheist.

jaephoenix:

If you say its retaliatory, no qualms.
Now the point is christians create posts here attacking atheists, don't they? So why can't atheists retaliate(like you did)
Anyway this wasn't a retaliatory or counter thread thread, it was prompted by Lawag3 a christian like you. Funny thing is I haven't seen his response 3 days later. So I guess I was disappointed

I’m not the type that create thread to attach atheists,

It’s even the atheists that come on our threads to attack us and someone like me doesn’t pay attention to them.

The moment you tell me that you’re an atheist, where do I even start discussion with you from? It’s your choice to believe in God or otherwise, I’m not the one that will be proving God to you! The same way you made a choice not to believe in God is the same way you can make the choice to do otherwise, e no concern me. So I don’t interfere in atheists’ businesses!

HISSCRIBE1995:

WELL!
time is still ticking; so keep listening.
but at the end you will corporate without strife

What are you saying

advocatejare:

I’m not the type that create thread to attach atheists,

It’s even the atheists that come on our threads to attack us and someone like me doesn’t pay attention to them.

The moment you tell me that you’re an atheist, where do I even start discussion with you from? It’s your choice to believe in God or otherwise, I’m not the one that will be proving God to you! The same way you made a choice not to believe in God is the same way you can make the choice to do otherwise, e no concern me. So I don’t interfere in atheists’ businesses!

You're really a hypocrite! This thread was created by an atheist, now see the many Christians attacking me. Isn't it funny you ignored that fact?
You have no business with atheists but you have business with Muslims and JWs. Does it make sense to you?

jaephoenix:

What you experienced is known as gut feelings or intuition, which may be right or wrong. Its different from seeing the someone which is registered in your brain. In intuition, the brain processes information it possesses and uses it to analyze your surroundings. If its spiritual, it would be 100% correct and it won't be felt non-spiritual folks like me

Off point.

The question is how did you feel it when it did not physically touch you? If you cannot answer the question we understand already.

jaephoenix:

You're really a hypocrite! This thread was created by an atheist, now see the many Christians attacking me.

Direct your frustration to those attacking you. I didn’t attack you, did I? So why did you mention me in the first place?

Isn't it funny you ignored that fact?
You have no business with atheists but you have business with Muslims and JWs. Does it make sense to you?

I’ve told you why I have business with Muslims. As for JW, I was on my own until their leader here Max started attacking me on my posts. He was always telling me how his JW organization is the best religious group, when his attacks didn’t stop I had to respond to him to show him his lies and to expose his so called best religious organization.

But I don’t remember ever attacking you or any atheist who didn’t come to my post to write rubbish.

Have a nice day

Dtruthspeaker:


Off point.

The question is how did you feel it when it did not physically touch you? If you cannot answer the question we understand already.

Idiot!
One does not feel anything. Its just your brain interplay. The precentral gyrus and cortex integrate with the hippocampus and one experiences a 'touch'. Those 'touches' are similar to paraesthesias.

advocatejare:

Direct your frustration to those attacking you. I didn’t attack you, did I? So why did you mention me in the first place?


I’ve told you why I have business with Muslims. As for JW, I was on my own until their leader here Max started attacking me on my posts. He was always telling me how his JW organization is the best religious group, when his attacks didn’t stop I had to respond to him to show him his lies and to expose his so called best religious organization.

But I don’t remember ever attacking you or any atheist who didn’t come to my post to write rubbish.

Have a nice day

Ok. No problem.

Dtruthspeaker:


Because it's like watching a great white behaving like a dolphin

Ok

Dtruthspeaker:


Yes.

Evil is that act or omission which when done to you by another naturally causes you unbearable pain of such magnitude that you cry for instant remedy, rectification and punishment of the perpetrator

Ok

jaephoenix:
I'm a physician. During med school, I noticed many things in my clinical trainings. Many people dying even after copious prayers. Some were pastors and notable men of god that supposedly did miracles. I asked myself where all the Bible quotes about healing went to. Jusr before I did my Sponsio Academica, lost my dad. This man was a vibrant Christian. Left his booming alcohol business to become a Christian and from there his health dwindled….
Then I started digging. Asked several questions, which was either ignored by my mum or I was told to ask the pastors, who turned out to be clueless. The butt of those questions were these
1. If Yahweh loved us, why give us a very contradictory and lie infected book like the bible, and then disappear from the scene. I mean since the days of the Bible where he was popping up and throwing down fire and lightning from up above, dude has gone mighty silent.
2. How come the most 'christianized' countries happen to be the most miserable? From Latin America to Africa, poverty is the norm. And the relatively atheistic societies are the most successful, like the Scandinavian countries, Iceland, China, Eastern Europe etc. Despite the fact your bible said righteousness exalteth a nation and even said the prayers of the heathens are abominations, yet those heathen get more successful while the people that pray more to him get more miserable. Case in point in Nigeria. We call US, UK, Canada sinful and irreligious cos of their LGBTQXXX, yet we abandon Nigeria that abhors LGBTQXXX to flee to those 'cursed' countries (like many Christians call them)
3. Miracles only happen in TVs and social media. Never happens in hospitals where the real sick people are. For some reasons, pastors only do their miracles in their churches, but avidly avoid these hospitals, even if the hospitals are right beside them. In fact, many churches now have hospitals, and run clinics on Sundays. Even pastors and churches contribute money for surgeries for their members. I mean they could simply heal those members with a word, just like good old Jesus, thus saving them from giving us doctors their hard-earned money, and also saving the member and his family the physical pain and stress of the sickness. Only miracles we hear about are the unconfirmed healing from HIV, sickle cell etc. Have you ever seen them make an amputee limb regrow? Lol 😆 . That one would be difficult for them to arrange, especially on live tv

4. The Bible story on creation is so funny. There are many sticky points than a chocolate bar.
A. Christians believe atheists are wrong to assume everything on earth was not created, but they forget the fact their bible said Yahweh created the world from….. nothing. And where did Yahweh himself pop out from? Yup. Nothing. He just existed
B. Your creation story said Yahweh created plants before the sun. Interesting…
C. Chapter 1 reports that the fruit trees were created before the man, while chapter 2 indicates they were made after him. Genesis 1:20 says the fowl were created out of the waters; Genesis 2:19 alleges they were formed from the ground.
D. Contradictions are also seen in the biblical story of a worldwide flood. According to Genesis 6:19-22, God ordered Noah to bring “of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort . . . into the ark.” Nevertheless, Genesis 7:2-3 relates that the Lord ordered Noah to take into the ark the clean beasts and the birds by sevens, and only the unclean beasts by twos.
E. Genesis 8:4 reports that, as the waters of the flood receded, Noah’s ark rested on the mountains of Ararat in the seventh month. The very next verse, however, says the mountaintops could not be seen until the tenth month.
F.Genesis 8:13 describes the earth as being dry on the first day of the first month. But Genesis 8:14 informs us the earth was not dry until the twenty-seventh day of the second month
You can see other gaffes in the Bible here https://www.nairaland.com/7659505/book-bible-gaffes

4. The Bible is a poor moral source.
A. Yahweh committed more murders than Satan. Matter of fact, I can't remember any killing by Satan but an loving god committed all sorts of genocide, from innocent babies, told Israelites to rip babies from preggo women etc. He even said people wearing different materials in the same cloth should be killed.
B. The Bible upholds slavery and even warns slaves to be obedient to their slavemasters just like they are obedient to him. He gave 10 commandments, yet ignored saying anything bad about slavery or misogyny. What does that tell you?
C. Its also a sin to work on Sabbaths which may be Saturdays or Sundays, depending on your Christian persuation.
D. Its a sin to wear different fabrics

5. So Yahweh created the whole world, right?
There's Eden. He then made a tree of knowledge, and guess what? Planted it right in the middle of the garden. As an all knowing god, Yahweh knew Adam was gonna fail but planted this forbidden tree right in the middle of the garden with luscious fruits, to distract and tempt Adam. Gave him a partner that would make the temptation very hard to pass up. Then to make matters worse, he allowed Satan(an omnipresent and omnipotent being) to finish the job of tempting Adam? Then when man fails, he turns around to blame him of making the wrong choice? And then went ahead to rain curses in the poor dude.
Are you seeing how Yahweh stacked up the odds against poor Adam. Almost as if he wants the dude to fail.

Here is an analogy. You(yahweh) sent your son(Adam) to school(garden of eden) and paid a bully(Satan) to distract and beat the child, so he'll fail in school? I used the word 'paid' because he Satan is an upgraded being, having those powers handed to him by Yahweh. Whats his target? A puny Adam, a regular mortal with no powers whatsoever

6. The story of creationism has no historical backup. And evolution can be supported by biology, genetics, archeology etc. There was even no mention of dinosaurs in the Bible even though they roamed for thousands of years

Has it occurred to you that a necessary source of all things must still exist, and that is God - and that that source of all things is NOT Yahweh - Yahweh simply being a barbaric mountain imaginary deity of the Jews?

jaephoenix:

Idiot!
One does not feel anything. Its just your brain interplay. The precentral gyrus and cortex integrate with the hippocampus and one experiences a 'touch'. Those 'touches' are similar to paraesthesias.

Yet fool, WE ALL FELT IT! And the touch was confirmed even by the hostile toucher who touched us without physically touching us. As i told you, you should learn to shut up rather than speak stupidly as we already know that it was impossible for you to answer this hence your earlier attempt at evasion and misdirection.

I told you, all the tricks and fraudulent arguments you atheists make won't get past me.

FRANCISTOWN:

On that. Both Yahweh and Allah are the most horrible jerk characters of a god like. They are the most called upon in the century, yet they are as irrelevant as the "s" in aisle.

Even if Yahweh suddenly jumped down from heaven today and goes like "okay guys, I'm the god of the whole universe."
I'd prolly still go on about my business. I wouldn't believe such an irresponsible god like that. Over six million Jews who prayed to him still died horribly so, I wouldn't be surprised he doesn't answer Nigerians.

Many man people die from malaria, HIV/AIDs, headaches, etcetera despite the advancement made in medical science over the centuries. Their deaths don't stop you from absolutely trusting science. Their deaths don't make you question the relevance or importance of medical science.

You blame God for the death of millions of jews but you are ignorant of what He said in His word that nation will rise against nation, kingdom against kingdom. He said there will be war, famines and pestilences. You confuse your sentiments with God's agenda for mankind. Did God say in His word that He came to stop genocides from occurring? Did He say He has come to put a stop to human suffering on earth?

You atheists like to quote the state of affairs to back up your claim of the non-existent nature of God, or the cruel nature of God if He exists. Nothing can be further from the truth.

That brings me to another matter. The Op also asked who created God if God created something. Will address that in another post.

jaephoenix:

Well said. Just ask one of those clowns making noise beside hospitals to come in and heal one sick person, then you'll hear all sorts of verbal gymnastics ever know to man.

Sure, Christians should just wave their bibles like magic wands and everyone will be instantly healed. No need for the sick to have faith and repent from their sins. No need for them to seek God. They should also wave their bibles and Nigeria's economic woes will disintegrate in seconds. Everyone will be happy. No more sickness and suffering in Nigerian and the world all over. Yeah, we Christians can make the world a paradise on earth with our magic wands.

LordReed:


Dude, time has already told. Restore an amputee's limb with all the god powers y'all have been boasting of for the past thousands of years, no show. May be when y'all can do that task you can come back to talk. I can bet you anything you like that till you and I die, Jesus will not return, another thing that time has already told. LoLz.

The very same thing Satan told Jesus, "Turn these stones into bread if you are the Son of God".

He knew Jesus is the Son of God. Oga, God is not your entertainer and the works of God are not done for entertainment.

You say God does not exist. The Bible says that you can't deny His existence as you are without excuse because God's invisible nature is seen in His created order. You are daily surrounded by it. You know that God exists but shut your ears to the truth. It beats me how anyone can witness Day turn into Night and the seasons follow each other without overtaking and at their appointed time, the wisdom that formed them has never been explained or duplicated by science to this day, yet the same person says something created it, not someone. Lol.

Nextt:


Many man people die from malaria, HIV/AIDs, headaches, etcetera despite the advancement made in medical science over the centuries. Their deaths don't stop you from absolutely trusting science. Their deaths don't make you question the relevance or importance of medical science.

You blame God for the death of millions of jews but you are ignorant of what He said in His word that nation will rise against nation, kingdom against kingdom. He said there will be war, famines and pestilences. You confuse your sentiments with God's agenda for mankind. Did God say in His word that He came to stop genocides from occurring? Did He say He has come to put a stop to human suffering on earth?

You atheists like to quote the state of affairs to back up your claim of the non-existent nature of God, or the cruel nature of God if He exists. Nothing can be further from the truth.

That brings me to another matter. The Op also asked who created God if God created something. Will address that in another post.

Show me one place on this thread where I have blamed any god. We don't blame fairies!

This is what I'm saying: if your god, emphasis on "your" has the power to remove all war, famines and pestilence from the world and he doesn't. That's makes him a goblin and not a god. That makes him malevolent and not benevolent.
We are saying that, such characteristics conflicts with a thing called "god".
A sheep with wings cannot exist.
A nonresponsive god cannot exist

LordReed:


Dude, time has already told. Restore an amputee's limb with all the god powers y'all have been boasting of for the past thousands of years, no show. May be when y'all can do that task you can come back to talk. I can bet you anything you like that till you and I die, Jesus will not return, another thing that time has already told. LoLz.

A pretty bold thing to say. You and I may die in the next 50, 60 years and Christ may not have returned by then. Why? The Gospel must first be preached to everyone in the world including those who are cut off from civilization. Secondly, the prophecies that precede His return have not come to pass especially the prophecy about the mountain of God (Christianity) being exalted above the world's system of living and His last effort to reach mankind by sending His Spirit of repentance to the whole world so that people will cry in repentance to Him without needing a preacher. As it is appointed for each and every one of us to stand before Christ in judgment, so shall His return. It is appointed and there is no going back. His delay is His grace of repentance to the world to turn from the sins that decay them to His light of salvation.

Nextt:


The very same thing Satan told Jesus, "Turn these stones into bread if you are the Son of God".

He knew Jesus is the Son of God. Oga, God is not your entertainer and the works of God are not done for entertainment.

You say God does not exist. The Bible says that you can't deny His existence as you are without excuse because God's invisible nature is seen in His created order. You are daily surrounded by it. You know that God exists but shut your ears to the truth. It beats me how anyone can witness Day turn into Night and the seasons follow each other without overtaking and at their appointed time, the wisdom that formed them has never been explained or duplicated by science to this day, yet the same person says something created it, not someone. Lol.

LoLz! Did you listen the primary school science lessons of how the earth rotates on it's axis and revolves around the sun? That's all the explanation I need for day and night, summer and winter, not a magical sky fairy.

Nextt:


A pretty bold thing to say. You and I may die in the next 50, 60 years and Christ may not have returned by then. Why? The Gospel must first be preached to everyone in the world including those who are cut off from civilization. Secondly, the prophecies that precede His return have not come to pass especially the prophecy about the mountain of God (Christianity) being exalted above the world's system of living and His last effort to reach mankind by sending His Spirit of repentance to the whole world so that people will cry in repentance to Him without needing a preacher. As it is appointed for each and every one of us to stand before Christ in judgment, so shall His return. It is appointed and there is no going back. His delay is His grace of repentance to the world to turn from the sins that decay them to His light of salvation.

I have nearly 2000years of history to back up what I am saying so I am just stating the obvious. Meanwhile I am yet to see anything to the contrary. Funny how a so called universe building god waits for human technology to progress first before his most important message can reach everyone. So which technological invention is the god waiting for now? We've done books, TVs, the Internet yet the message hasn't reached everyone? Maybe he is waiting for quantum computers or quantum tunneling communications, LoLz.

FRANCISTOWN:


Show me one place on this thread where I have blamed any god. We don't blame fairies!

This is what I'm saying: if your god, emphasis on "your" has the power to remove all war, famines and pestilence from the world and he doesn't. That's makes him a goblin and not a god. That makes him malevolent and not benevolent.
We are saying that, such characteristics conflicts with a thing called "god".
A sheep with wings cannot exist.
A nonresponsive god cannot exist

The same God who has reserved this world for fire? You talk about war, famines and pestilence. These are just the birth pangs of much greater destruction to come. The real destruction is doing press up. Fire, the kind that will guzzle the whole earth with everything in it and still be hungry is on its way, reserved, and you are lamenting about mere war and destruction.

God will not exercise His power to appeal to your false sense of righteousness. Your (all men's) righteousness is like used and overused rags in His sight. As long as there is sin there will be destruction. That effect is only a cosmetic solution to present danger. God will not use His power to erase destruction while sin, the source of destruction, continues unabated. It is exactly like spraying perfume in an environment of garbage dump (sin) to eradicate a stench (destruction). The pleasing aroma lasts only seconds butnit won't take long reality will set in because the stench from the dump persists. This is why the world is reserved for fire to burn up the refuse (the world and all those who have rejected Christ). Until then, God is giving the grace, as long as you still breathe, to change your ways and turn to Him.

ucheheart:


Then channel your reply to lawag3 and stop disturbing us on nairaland.

Na people like you go deceive people finish come later turn born again

Why are you so pained?

Counter him with Christian verses that support your point

If all the disciples behaved so scared like this, Christianity for no spread reach like this.